been around

I don’t really keep track, but once something as extreme as death metal has been around for decades, it becomes an established part of the music scene.

It’s been around long enough that you don’t have to be totally underground to hear about it or be a fan.

“When you’re a band that’s been around for such a long time, people have already decided how they feel about you — and sometimes those decisions were made in 2003 with ‘Sing the Sorrow,’ and sometimes it was made in ’97 when someone went to a hardcore show,” drummer Adam Carson adds via Zoom.

“You look at bands that have been around for this long, and it’s these angry, bitter grandpas who are always feuding and can’t get along,” Puget says via Zoom.

The soil in the gardens can be no more than four feet deep, yet it must nourish trees that are trucked in from other locations and are between 50 and 100 years old so that the garden appears to have been around a long time.