talk turkey

"I think Terry is facing his own mortality, and I think when people are reaching that point in their life, they cut through the pleasantries and talk turkey," he said.

“But we didn’t get far enough to be talking turkey with any bowls or conferences about the actual format.”

And what about "talk turkey"? Well, that can mean quite contradictory things.

They’re talking turkey in the one-off culinary competition “Battle for the Bird.”

He said the meeting had provided the "crucial moment" for the two leaders to sit in a room, without their staff present, "talking turkey" until they found a way they could move forward.